tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post115194052295372789..comments2012-01-04T05:53:13.610-08:00indscribehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17073543434209800940noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-83655322690017399622009-07-04T19:37:13.373-07:002009-07-04T19:37:13.373-07:00It is indeed a sad state of affairs, since none of the other &#39;Super Powers&#39; really care about Palestinians. Even the neighbors of Palestine, the members of Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC) do not seem to care ! <br /><br />Why are we talking about what the Indians think? India can do nothing much. The world opinion about terrorism and the Muslims&#39; involvement in it is not helping either. With Hamas constantly launching rockets into Israel, who can tell Israel to follow Gandhi? Indians are trained to think like Gandhi, never question Pakistan even while facing constant attacks, intrusions etc. But we cannot expect all other countries to be like India ! <br /><br />There is an organization called &#39;Muslims for America&#39; who are supporting the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq and are calling Bush - a savior of Muslims! <br /><br />I agree that India should support the Palestinian people, but then Indian Government did not even support [civilian] Tamils in Sri Lanka, let us not think too much of what India or Indians are capable of !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-57963579888606316452008-09-04T11:12:00.000-07:002008-09-04T11:12:00.000-07:00So what this means ???<BR/><BR/>do you hate israel as well ?<BR/><BR/>http://urduwebsite.blogspot.comSidra Maqsoodhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01882007419551245258noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1331547402439518642008-04-29T22:30:00.000-07:002008-04-29T22:30:00.000-07:00What if they have money, What if they have power, These self interest monsters can not go on and destroy other countries. If other countries started working on self interest , World will not exist any more.<BR/><BR/>If they think Jews have right on Israel becasue they were present there 3000 years ago. They should leave America , because it is not their country , they stole it from Red Indians, same goes for Aryans in India who stole Dravdians land.Naseerhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04276267370350837415noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-86224468930852235172007-09-17T19:20:00.000-07:002007-09-17T19:20:00.000-07:00In the name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.<BR/>Could all Muslims please join with me to Promote Peace and share Gods good will by sending your friends and family a “Blessing from God” certificate from the website http://www.godsblessingsforyou.com<BR/><BR/><BR/>Share the beauty of Islam with friends and family, who will gain great strength and comfort when they receive one of these tasteful Blessing from God complete with your personal best wishes.<BR/><BR/>Asslamu alikum<BR/>Imam AbdullaCopiehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15047920411051731452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152676080651794392006-07-11T20:48:00.000-07:002006-07-11T20:48:00.000-07:00So my dear Anon...<BR/><BR/>Is there a river in Mumbai as well whose waters Pakistan wants to corner...?A soul in exilehttp://soulinexile.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152514219691959222006-07-09T23:50:00.000-07:002006-07-09T23:50:00.000-07:00"Problems of Muslims generally do not see the light of justice and are so prolonged that they have to invoke their religion while taking up arms." - This one is absolutely correct. But again you've made a bad generalisation. You think of 'Problems of Muslims', but I think it's problems of Third World on the whole that they don't get justice from the first world at all. Colonialisation for centuries is what made us third world, and still we are not been able to get justice. I can't classify the problems as 'Muslim problem'.<BR/><BR/>"We import terms, arms, ideologies, disillusions, enmity and then weapons to fight them all." - the problem is we are lagging far behind from those first world, so we import everything and 'create'/'innovate' nothing. Even our best brains go out to these countries.<BR/><BR/>"Do the wise ever raise their voice for Muslims 'effectively'?" - Let me reframe the question, and replace Muslims by third world. The answer is - there is none, we have to wait till we match them at any level-playing field. Who thought in 1900 that British Raj will come to an end in India?Digantahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04469151692994395377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152463220356547652006-07-09T09:40:00.000-07:002006-07-09T09:40:00.000-07:00Hey Diganta,<BR/><BR/>May be, I wish to make a fool of myself but I have never heard a non-muslim or a media person wonder openly, "Are muslims so pathetic that we hear nothing good about them, or is it the media?".<BR/><BR/>A Christian(Jewish) country attacks(war!) a Muslims country on the pretext of WMDestruction "against the UN's will", when it turns out to be a WMDeception, the same masses can be satisfied by change in stance to democracy and terrorism. On the other hand the same UN's partition of Palestine to make room for Jews (who were killed in numbers in Germany by Christians) is so sacred to the same masses.<BR/>Do aliens run the UN?<BR/><BR/>Problems of Muslims generally do not see the light of justice and are so prolonged that they have to invoke their religion while taking up arms. This helps them get attention of other Muslims, but make them lose sympathy of others.<BR/>Do the wise ever raise their voice for Muslims 'effectively'?<BR/><BR/>We are so deprived of courage that that it takes us the US & Europe to call trouble makers in kashmir as terrorists.<BR/><BR/>We import terms, arms, ideologies, disillusions, enmity and then weapons to fight them all.urdudaaNhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10918092575492102161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152350072117210322006-07-08T02:14:00.000-07:002006-07-08T02:14:00.000-07:00@Urdudaan<BR/>If you start generalising things and try to assume that all non-Muslims people love to see Muslims oppressed, you would have an entry to the team who makes foolish generalisation about everyone based on a small sample behaviour. The same generalising is now-a-days made by US and UK section of people, who think all the Muslims in the world are responsible for what happened in 9/11 and 7/7. All the people in the world are diversely different from one another, and there're no space of generalising one's behaviour by his identity of religion.Digantahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04469151692994395377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152349113314154312006-07-08T01:58:00.000-07:002006-07-08T01:58:00.000-07:00"the satisfaction derived from Muslim bashing(particularly when they are being opperessed & killed)." - How do you so easily assume that I am supporting Jews when the kill Muslims? My only comment was that the problem was started by Arabs (Arabs are not only representatives of Muslims in the world). I never supported Israel (Israel and Jew are not synonymous word) activities to kill civilians.<BR/><BR/>Coming to your other point, if you think Christians helped Jews to grab land in Middle-East, I can also show you how brutally Jews were murdered by Christians in Nazi-Germany and post-war Soviet Union.<BR/><BR/>End of the day, Arabs have to live with Israel - it's better that they start cooperating with them now, as Jordan did in 1994.Digantahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04469151692994395377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152289372223399822006-07-07T09:22:00.000-07:002006-07-07T09:22:00.000-07:00Mr. Dingata,<BR/><BR/>Jews are a superior race whereas muslims are not, so naturally they can't be as great as Jews. But, if great people make a greater mistake, that doesn't make it right even if some UN is helpless as usual. What's wrong is that you and me support it for no gains at all, but the satisfaction derived from Muslim bashing(particularly when they are being opperessed & killed).<BR/><BR/>The facts are available about how Christians helped Jews grab their holy land back (bestowed upon them & Moses by the God) when Jews were overpowering them in Europe.<BR/><BR/>There are lots of documented facts for the ones having a clear conscience, and a heart beating for peace, justice and humanity rather than for the rich and ruling.urdudaaNhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10918092575492102161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152192452125948352006-07-06T06:27:00.000-07:002006-07-06T06:27:00.000-07:00"ideology of zionism" - may I know what is that? As per jews, I know they are the world leaders - Einstein was a jew. I have full respect for the jews.<BR/><BR/>Also, Jews got better chunk of land due to UN resolution - why do you blame jews for that - blame UN if you want to.Digantahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04469151692994395377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152103764892059532006-07-05T05:49:00.000-07:002006-07-05T05:49:00.000-07:00Anon<BR/><BR/>Perception or interpretation of justice can be subjective...but 'national interests' are absolute.<BR/><BR/>One can hold something higher than national interest only if one respects and values something more than the Nation. If for someone Nation comes second to something else, then 'that something else' can be supreme compared to 'national interest'.<BR/><BR/>To me, religion/values/justice are personal - but Nation is supreme. So for me, religion/value/right based arguements are subjective and perceptive - but National Interest is absolute.asiehttp://soulinexile.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152095991311447452006-07-05T03:39:00.000-07:002006-07-05T03:39:00.000-07:00@diganta<BR/>I know about the UN plan and the wars.But the crux of the issue was the ideology of zionism and the jewish settlers geting such a big chunk of the land <BR/>@Asie<BR/>justice is a superior virtue than 'national interest'Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152090726747803362006-07-05T02:12:00.000-07:002006-07-05T02:12:00.000-07:00I am not saying we do what they do...<BR/><BR/>But, yes there is nothing wrong in imitating their national zeal and nation first policies.<BR/><BR/>We have to be as conscious and dedicated to the nation as they are - and not be driven by "my religious preferences will determine my national priorities" policy, which seems be getting touted here as the "right way". <BR/><BR/>Remember - as a nation we should have no permanent friends or enemies, Only permanent national interests (of course, I didnt say it first!)<BR/><BR/>This thread interested me to continue the context in my blog as well - http://soulinexile.blogspot.com/2006/07/national-interest.htmlA Soul In Exilehttp://soulinexile.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152090520243064222006-07-05T02:08:00.000-07:002006-07-05T02:08:00.000-07:00I am not saying we do what they do...<BR/><BR/>But, yes there is nothing wrong in imitating their national zeal and nation first policies.<BR/><BR/>We have to be as conscious and dedicated to the nation as they are - and not be driven by "my religious preferences will determine my national priorities" policy, which seems be getting touted here as the "right way". <BR/><BR/>Remember - as a nation we should have no permanent friends or enemies, Only permanent national interests (of course, I didnt say it first!)<BR/><BR/>This thread interested me to continue the context in my blog as well - <A><BR/>href="http://soulinexile.blogspot.com/2006/07/national-interest.html">National<BR/>Interest</A>A Soul In Exilehttp://soulinexile.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152090082701149502006-07-05T02:01:00.000-07:002006-07-05T02:01:00.000-07:00Anonymous:<BR/>You need to read the following -<BR/>1)1947 UN Partition Plan<BR/>2)1948 Arab-Israeli War<BR/><BR/>The Arabs did not agree to the UN Partition plan, and started the war against newly found Israel. Seven countries attacked Israel - Iraq, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestein(Arab), Syria and Egypt but failed to evacuate Jews. Rather Jews occupied more area than what was allocated to them. Arabs never accepted the partition plan of Palestein (but easily accepted Indian partition), and never recognized Israel.Digantahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04469151692994395377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152078827365403432006-07-04T22:53:00.000-07:002006-07-04T22:53:00.000-07:00So, we the Indians want to be just like Pakistan having said that they are really bad!. That's pure hypocrisy.<BR/><BR/>Thanks to rising fascism and communalism in India.<BR/><BR/>Money is God! To hell with right or wrong!!urdudaaNhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10918092575492102161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152076514402168542006-07-04T22:15:00.000-07:002006-07-04T22:15:00.000-07:00No diganta the problem started with the movement of settlers (zionists) into palestine.<BR/>Zionism is the cause.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152017460431751312006-07-04T05:51:00.000-07:002006-07-04T05:51:00.000-07:00Anon,<BR/>I do not and will not justify Pakistan's actions related to the ethnic cleansing in Kashmir. However, your point in trying to equate the ethnic cleansing with Palestinian problem isn't logical. <BR/><BR/>Yet, going by what I earlier said - yes, what Pakistan is doing is to their understanding their national interest - however convoluted it may be. And I dont want my country to suspend its own national interests for interest for some other nation.<BR/><BR/>Pakistan's behaviour in Kashmir to me is like a mad dog trying to bite your thigh off... The dog probably has some impression of fear -which makes it be agressive and damage you. To me, the self-interest at that point is to beat the dog away for your own safety - not to be a "come bite me coz I support animal rights" samaritan.asiehttp://soulinexile.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152004300604984852006-07-04T02:11:00.000-07:002006-07-04T02:11:00.000-07:00All the Israel problem started in 1948 when UN crafted out a piece of land for Jews. The partition of Palestein to accomodate Jews was never tolerated by Arabs. They invaded the country right at their day of independence. So the problem was started by Arabs.<BR/><BR/>Now the problem has boiled down to retaliation. Remember, Israel hasn't attacked Palestein without a cause. They want their soldier back. The soldier has been kidnapped by Hamas militants. <BR/><BR/>Now, talking about our stance, I think it's justified to take a neutral stance. If the Palestein problem gets solved, they might turn their attention to Kashmir and we might be in trouble.Digantahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04469151692994395377noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1152002614247765972006-07-04T01:43:00.000-07:002006-07-04T01:43:00.000-07:00@asie I do not believe that pakistan is interested in grabbing kashmir just because of water resources.<BR/>There are a number of reasons which they cite and water resources is one of them.<BR/>So so you mean to say that there is nothing instrincally Morally wrong about their support for ethnic cleansing ?<BR/>I want to India to support justice whether that be for kashmiri pandits or for the palestinians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1151997922137894472006-07-04T00:25:00.000-07:002006-07-04T00:25:00.000-07:00secondly,... whatever Pakistan has done in Kashmir, including ethnic cleansing of Hindu's from Kashmir - is what they did in their own interest - and what seemed right to them. <BR/>As an Indian, I would like to follow a similar approach - "Do what is best in interest of India!".<BR/><BR/>Why is that so difficult to understand...?asiehttp://soulinexile.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1151997810499231512006-07-04T00:23:00.000-07:002006-07-04T00:23:00.000-07:00Firstly..if you have been given to believe that Pakistan's interest in Kashmir is because they are eyeing water resources of river Jehlum... I cant help much given that the assumption is too naive.asiehttp://soulinexile.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1151995348877961312006-07-03T23:42:00.000-07:002006-07-03T23:42:00.000-07:00Probably common man's logic cannot go beyond 'I to I' (India-Israel) and 'P to P' (Pakistan-Palestine) when it comes to relating countries/people. <BR/><BR/>What is confusing, is that I for Iran too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1151994057034978312006-07-03T23:20:00.000-07:002006-07-03T23:20:00.000-07:00asie<BR/>what about justice and human rights ?<BR/>Going by your logic since it is in Pakistan's national interest to get kashmir because of the water resources amongst others,they are not doing anything wrong (from thier perspective) by indulging in the ethnic cleansing of Kashmiri Pandits .<BR/>would you agree to this logic ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com