tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post115705257672013354..comments2011-12-27T14:11:06.705-08:00indscribehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17073543434209800940noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-8524683626049882792011-07-19T11:12:58.055-07:002011-07-19T11:12:58.055-07:00very interesting information! .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-31677503739889947692009-12-07T11:56:13.753-08:002009-12-07T11:56:13.753-08:00The book in its original version described conflict between sanyasis and the British. It was banned. A subsequent release substituted Muslims for British, to be able to publish the book. <br /><br />This substitution fooled no one back then, including the Muslims at that time. But looks like it did fool at least one Muslim of today! Rememeber, the sanyasi rebellion, which inspired this book was against the British. And there were similar (and parallel) rebellions by Fakirs! <br /><br />Talk about twisting logic to fit an argument. Don&#39;t sing the song if you won&#39;t, but why rationalise your choice by trashing an important piece of Indian cultural history?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-59219287636209779442009-12-05T01:52:06.879-08:002009-12-05T01:52:06.879-08:00Jai Hind,<br />Your article is very good.<br />I am a Maharashtrian Hindu.<br />Let me put my point first.<br />&#39;Vande Mataram&#39;-rejected for it&#39;s from very bad book.<br />then why are we still singing &#39;Sare JAhan se accha&#39;.A song written by an asshole iqbal, a very father of nation of pakistan.This man first put the idea of pakistan and seperated our very brethern from us. Then surely the reasons you give for rejecting &#39;Vande Mataram&#39; holds good for this song as well.<br /> In 1905 this very song(VM) proved knot uniting hindu-muslims of bengal . Or thing is that maulana Azad was fool and you the only wise roaming this earth.<br /> Also our national anthem &#39;jana-gana-mana&#39; originally written to welcome the then worst enemy of india &#39;BRITISH PRINCE&#39;. But it was accepted as anthem, now not for it&#39;s historical importance(as is the case with VM) but for the words use in it ofcourse taken without context. Shall we oppose it too. You getting my point!!<br /> Look thing is that you shouldn&#39;t look at all this issue in this way. Forget the book(I know you may not,but try it), think about lakhs and lakhs of indians hindus muslims alike chanting this very words while accepting lathis of british. BABU GENU throwing himself in front of the truck loaded with videshi kapada while chaning he same words. Think of the thousands of martyrs who have died for this very words. Just think of them. And I am confident that you will find no objection in these martyrs, and the words(taken without context) which inspired them.<br />Reply is mustMayureshnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-17342765842393185952009-12-03T05:10:33.626-08:002009-12-03T05:10:33.626-08:00Indi Bhai.. main aapse bas ek baat kahna chahta hoon..Jis tarah humen is mulk ke muslimon ko kahne ka haq naheen hain ki aap vande mataram gayyain, waise hi, aapko iss gaana ko naheen nakarna chahiye. By saying that the muslims shouldn&#39;t sing this song, you make it a issue. Any Indian, be it a Hindu or a Muslim, has the choice to sing or to not so. But, don&#39;t make it a fundamental issue. <br /><br />As far as your arguments against Bankim goes, to Bhai, woh daur kuch aur tha. At that time in history, the feeling was different, now its different. Ab Aurangzeb ne jo Hinduyon pe atyachaar kiye kya uss wajah se we should stop reading him at all. We need to understand one thing, we are people of external circumstances. Woh uss waqt ki baat thi, yeh aaj ki baat hain. <br /><br />The point most frequently raised against Vande Mataram is that it worships the motherland, which apparently is not allowed in Islam. Daraar to iss argument se aati hain. Kya iss desh ke musolmaano ko unka dharm unki zameen se pyaara hain. Agar han? To kal agar ek Muslim desh (Pakistan) hum pe hamla karega to whom will the Indian Muslims support, their fellow country men or their fellow muslims? <br /><br />Agar hum aapke Bankim wale arguments ko le, to humen Tagore wala Jan Gan Man bhi naheen gana chahiyen woh to Angrezi Emperor ki shaan mein likha gaya tha. To uss gane ka virodh kyun naheen hota hain.<br /><br />Iss liye, mera suggestion sirf yeh hain ki naa Vande Mataram compulsory hona chahiye, aur na hi woh ban (fatwa, wagarah) hona chahiye. Jise gaana hain woh gaye, hindu, mussalman, sikh, isayi. Aur jise na gaana ho wo na gaye..Bas itni si to baat hain..<br /><br />Khair, I really liked your blog, hopefully we will debate a lot in the coming days, probably there are many things that I will learn from you..<br /><br />NamashkaarShashwat D.C.http://www.blogger.com/profile/08087091380682036477noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-5836758375084166372009-11-17T09:26:14.669-08:002009-11-17T09:26:14.669-08:00I am sorry to say but this article just comes across as a lame excuse for not singing the national song. <br /><br />If you want to keep your religion above your motherland, be a man and say it. We are not going to oppose. But to dismiss a piece of our culture &amp; tradition like some trash is simply uncalled for. <br /><br />I don&#39;t care what the novel says, I am not even concerned about who wrote Vande Mataram. All I&#39;m concerned about is the meaning of this beautiful song. What&#39;s wrong in praising your motherland? Don&#39;t you bow down to Mecca &amp; Medina? Why not the land that gave you life? Or is it simply too unislamic to do so?<br /><br />I request my muslim brothers not to fall in this trap laid by extremists. Sing the Vande Mataram with as much ferocity as you say your prayers. Don&#39;t let your religion come in the way of your patriotism.<br /><br />Jai Hind!<br />Vande Mataram!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-7305631576465780892009-06-29T09:06:59.954-07:002009-06-29T09:06:59.954-07:00ITS VERY IMPORTENT MATTER BETWEEN OUR COMMUNITY AND COMMON LIFE IN INDIA. SO DEFINITLY EVERY ONE READ THE ARTCLE . THANKS FOR THE POST.<br />With best regards,<br />mohammed iqbal.<br />history about the islam how reach in india, still people don&#39;t know<br />http://freewebs.com/mohdiqbal/Mohammed Iqbal Noorihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03881723465562229081noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-17503482284978796152009-04-12T11:55:00.000-07:002009-04-12T11:55:00.000-07:00I understand and agree that the history of the song is divisive. There were objections by leading nationalist figures: Tagore, <BR/>Maulana Azad, Nehru and Subhash Chandra Bose especially with the later stanzas. The book itself is also divisive.<BR/><BR/>But one cannot ignore the other part of the history: it was a march song, "the unofficial national anthem" during the freedom movement.<BR/><BR/>So, I do think it is best to accept and ignore its origin, and to remember it by its contribution to our freedom movement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-19754957245413331692009-03-17T01:28:00.000-07:002009-03-17T01:28:00.000-07:00Interesting conversations! Everyone seems to out do each other on Vande matram and its ill effects on Muslims and their faith. How about banning the vande matram altogether ? Maybe that will prove the tolrance of Hindus towards Muslims!Ignorance about who Bankim Chandra was has belittled the sacrifice of our elders. Issue came up when many schools in Muslim majority areas declined to have their pupil sing this national song. There is always counter-reaction to reaction. Lets blame Hindus and patriotism for the conditions of Muslims in India and be happy and be more secular!!Rohit Singhnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-10451423743682598272009-01-30T04:50:00.000-08:002009-01-30T04:50:00.000-08:00zafer u gotta understand 1 thing - the muslim population in india is below that average, while the christians and sikhs are above it. the hindus form the median. so look at ourselfs first before blaming the world.Safer Mirzanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-2560566040964534792009-01-24T11:20:00.000-08:002009-01-24T11:20:00.000-08:00Anon: What Gulf countries do is none of my business. They don't treat women well. Muslims of other countries also get the same treatment as Hindus or others.<BR/><BR/>Of course, Whites do get better treatment. They are monarchies and I have no sympathy for them.<BR/><BR/>Please read other posts on this blog. Malaysia didn't ban Yoga, one party said it. <BR/><BR/>The same thing was said by Christian leaders in America. In India right-wing parties say lot of things. So!<BR/><BR/>I have no love for GULF. Yes, there is some interest because of holy places of Islam in Saudi Arabia.<BR/><BR/>Bhai! Try to understand, till recently Hindus were only in concentration in India and Nepal. <BR/><BR/>Now their population is growing. In 90s when Aniruddha Jagannath or Ramgulam became premiers in Mauritius and Surinam etc, Indian newspapers took interest. Why?<BR/><BR/>Because they were Hindus and had 300 yr old Hindu connection. As Hindu population increases, take my word...there will be greater interest regarding Hindu populace of those countries in India. This is natural human tendency. Nothing else.indscribehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17073543434209800940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-61924081228553062372009-01-24T08:25:00.000-08:002009-01-24T08:25:00.000-08:00i hope i could have the choice in any country other than india to say this.<BR/><BR/>in gcc expats are 80% and they dont have civil rights due to islamic laws.<BR/><BR/>Where as world wide all muslims want equal civil rights and they want their country to support the cause of palestine [ on basis of humanity it might be worth it but not on the basis of religion ]<BR/><BR/>However this does not extend to any other religions. Malayaisa can ban practice of yoga, indonesia can allow wearing of bikinis, bahrain can have full fledge entertainment for the residence of saudi and kuwait<BR/><BR/>Pope made nasty remark about islam but america is the closest friend of all rich gcc countries. English actually practices the support to isreal and many a gcc country has diplomatic relation. <BR/><BR/>I donot understand the concept of our muslim brother undying love for the happening in gcc when terrorism is in peak of action in kashmir or mumbaiAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-71339803113847906722008-12-11T10:35:00.000-08:002008-12-11T10:35:00.000-08:00mazhab nahi sikhaatha aapas mein bair rakhna HINDI HAI HUM VATAN HAI HINDUSTAN HAMARA. and he went to pakistan WONDER why? inspite of majority of the people (of all religions collectively ) understood and liked it more than the vandemataram which is in sanskrit and i can sing the whole song but do not understand it. WHEREAS I UNDERSTAND THE SARE JAHA SE ACHHA in full length. that is it.jobdorikindihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05946300269012088624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-42648007782058960972008-12-11T10:28:00.000-08:002008-12-11T10:28:00.000-08:00in the context of the novel, BEING A HINDU i too cant accept "vandemataram" <BR/>and i cant say which hindu but some hindus have hurt the feelings of the poet iqbal "sare jahan se achaa" and i understand this song better than vandemataram then why it did not become national song. <BR/><BR/>As such things and pulling backs happen on both sides. the solution for most communal problems i feel is we must cease to be secularists and feel, behave, and live like humans "JUST HUMANS" <BR/><BR/>MAUNAM MAHA MANTHRAM = silence is greater than all religious preachings.jobdorikindihttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05946300269012088624noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-34508901917188304902008-07-14T07:56:00.000-07:002008-07-14T07:56:00.000-07:00Please do not become Auragzeb .Please accept the song wholeheartedly.It expreses your emotion about YOUR motherland in a very genuinely emotional & beautiful way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-79129689869085396502008-07-05T05:17:00.000-07:002008-07-05T05:17:00.000-07:00I don't care about the author of the song. The only thing I care is that "Vande Mataram" is our national song, as stipulated in the Indian Constitution. This explains why 9 out of 10 Hindus do not fully understand the meaning, but still sing it. But author and other like minded muslims don't think this way and look for the ways to desist the song. The story is fabricated to give another solid reason (non-majhabi) to muslims to desist from singing the song. The actual reason for opposition to the song is the word "Vande Mataram" itself...which means bow to the motherland, but Islam prohibits bowing to anyone else except Allah. Author other commentators are against forcing someone to sing "national song", but none said that forcing someone not to sing is equally bad. I think they are either not aware or ignored that in Agra when a group of 30 nationalist muslims sung Vande Mataram in full public ceremony (which they had organised only to support the national song) were expelled from community by the maulvis and were dictated to cleanse themselves by reading some Quranis verses to come back to Islam, which they had to do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-80965922534087705232008-07-03T06:48:00.000-07:002008-07-03T06:48:00.000-07:00We must consider the timeline in which it was written. At that time, Hindu nation and Muslim nation aspects are delt. India for Hindus and Pakistan for Muslims. <BR/><BR/>These differences were brought by Jinnah, nationalist turned communalist. <BR/><BR/>We must be critic on the issues of history by considering the timeline in which they happened and the influence which caused it.Ganeshhttp://www.pratispandana.wordpress.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-60437613729335706502008-04-22T14:30:00.000-07:002008-04-22T14:30:00.000-07:00India is my country and I am proud of it. I am proud of our scientific development, our economic policy and the progress we made since early 90's. (That doesn't mean this pride is not extending to things in the past like our freedom struggle).<BR/>Here are the figures<BR/>***India Shining ******<BR/>Adult Literacy : 61.3%<BR/>Youth Literacy : 73.3%<BR/>People with Income below<BR/>1$ per day: 34.3%<BR/>2$ per day: 80.3% !!!!<BR/>People below national poverty line:<BR/>28.6%<BR/>25.0%<BR/>(Two different estimates)<BR/>Source: Wikipedia<BR/>Problem is not with you, actually, you want to force your (and some other people's) view as a view of an entire community. As for the rural areas, I live in a rural area in Maharashtra and see things which are never published in newspapers, never shown on TV. Khairlanji was an exception.<BR/> <BR/>Today, if somebody abuses Gandhian philosphy and thought, and Gandhi himself, it's his freedom of expression. If somebody is not singing a particular song, then, it's quite a different issue altogether.Zaferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13572276014302538458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-69081544117652898942008-04-07T10:23:00.000-07:002008-04-07T10:23:00.000-07:00@Zafer,<BR/><BR/>And your point is?<BR/><BR/>50% illiterate? Are you speaking of India or some poor excuse for a country like Pakistan? Secondly, Rural India is much more advanced than you give it credit for. In fact it is so advanced that Indian Mutual Fund houses have special fund offerings that invest in companies with huge rural client bases. Please get your facts straight. <BR/><BR/>And if an Indian does not know at least the first stanza of Vande Mataram then they should go and learn it. Saying that your poor Hindu friends do not know it does not excuse you from not knowing it!<BR/><BR/>Indian Muslims can either continue to bury their heads in the sands of time, ignoring the mood of the country which is getting tired of people dying in bomb blasts on sub-urban trains and the streets of Kashmir, or they can wake up and be a part of the nation. And being a part of the nation means you respect all things that are dear to the nation. Including Vande Mataram. <BR/><BR/>No non-muslim is denying the role of Muslims or their place in Indian society. In fact we are proud that India is home to the largest muslim population in the world. It is up to the muslims whether they will stand up and be counted or if they will be left behind. For India is marching and nobody can stop it!<BR/><BR/>The only thing holding back the Indian muslim community is itself.Gautam Satpathyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13163440887318432703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-25731789460078264632008-04-07T09:54:00.000-07:002008-04-07T09:54:00.000-07:00PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY ARE ASKING.... BLAH<BR/>People are asking? which people? are you kidding? I asked 9 of my hindu friends and 7 doesn't knew the vande matram beyond first line "Vande Mataram". <BR/>You say people are asking!!! In our country where some 50% people are illiterate. Where you have got rural areas where people think, Indira Gandhi is still prime minister. Where you encounter old fellows who say how british raj was better. <BR/>After checking my friends, I asked my laundry walla, newspaper boy, dudh walla - none of them knew such song actually existed.<BR/>I don't think these people are asking.Zaferhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13572276014302538458noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-34211163518798372482008-03-06T01:16:00.000-08:002008-03-06T01:16:00.000-08:00You miss the point. Have you stopped to ask why the people of this country are asking that everybody sing Vande Mataram? Yes, it is the people who are asking, not just a few politicians looking for issues to make the front page. The people.<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://whatho.satpathy.org/2008/03/06/muslim/vande-mataram-an-old-argument/" REL="nofollow">Read my post about this</A> and ask yourself why Muslims in India rae being asked to prove their loyalty.Gautam Satpathyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13163440887318432703noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-63358524346455433902008-02-20T00:26:00.000-08:002008-02-20T00:26:00.000-08:00ARTICLE POSTED IS NICE TO BE READ. BUT THIS HATRED TOWARDS MUSLIM IS NOT A CREATION OF BRITISH, IT WAS FROM TIME IMMEMORIAL WHICH SOMNATH TEMPLE WAS PLUNDERS, AURANGJEB MASSACRED HINDUS. IT IS EXACTLY THE SAME WAY MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS AND JEWS FEEL ABOUT EACH OTHER EVEN IN THE MODERN ERA FOR WHAT HAPPENED CENTURIES BACK. <BR/><BR/>IF YOU THINK VANDE MATRAM IS ANTI MUSLIM AND THE WRITER CREATED A TREACHOROUS NOVEL THEN MOHD IQBAL WHO PENNED SARE JAHAN SE ACHHA HINDUSTAN HAMARA SHOULD BE EQUALLY BE BLAMED FOR MOOTING THE IDEA OF CREATING A SEPERATE MUSLIM NATION. IF MUSLIMS CAN SHUN VANDE MATRAM THEN HINDUS HAVE GOT RIGHT TO SHUN SARA JAHAN SE ACHHA HINDUSTAN HAMARA. <BR/><BR/>IF YOU GO TO PLACE LIKE HYDERABAD, IT IS GENERALLY SAID THAT INDIA WAS CREATED 60 YEARS BACK AND NO ONE KNOWS WHETHER AFTER 60 YEARS INDIA WILL BE THERE OR NOT. BUT ISLAM WILL BE THERE. THIS SHOWS MUSLIM ARE NOT QUAMI BUT MAZHABI. THEY GIVE DAMN TO THE COUNTRY OF THEIR BIRTH, THE COUNTRY WHICH GIVES SUBSIDY TO GO TO HAJ (NOT A SINGLE MUSLIM NATION GIVES SUBSIDY TO GO TO HAJ AND HINDUS DOES NOT GET SUCH BENEFIT), MINORITY STATUS AND ALLIED BENEFITS. WHAT ELSE IS REQUIRED. BUT HAVING SAID THAT IT IS NOT THE RELIGION WHICH IS CREATING THE PROBLEM BUT THE PEOPLE WHO INTERPRET THE RELIGIOUS EDICTS IN SUCH A MANNER WHICH SUITS THEIR NOTORIOUS PLAN. HINDUS AND MUSLIM ARE JUSK LIKE TWO BANKS OF RIVER, THEY WILL TRAVEL TOGETHER BUT WILL NEVER BE ONE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-1661503657591712292007-11-20T23:06:00.000-08:002007-11-20T23:06:00.000-08:00Your blog is very nice... i like your blog ....<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.vijayinfo.in" REL="nofollow">Website design India, web design india</A><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.atozsolution.com" REL="nofollow">web design New york city</A><BR/><BR/>I will be available in online for link exchange from 9am to 7pm (IST)<BR/>chat id : fastlinkmaster@gmail.com, Skype: ananthakumar007SEO Experthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01892433788929916413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-18602517808793462712007-11-08T23:24:00.000-08:002007-11-08T23:24:00.000-08:00I read the novel a long back ago. so donot remember the particulars. I am not a great fan of "Bankim-Chandra as a man". But I will say that he should be discredited more as a coward than as a Muslim hater. As far as I know initially he wrote the novel Anadamath where the fight was faught against british. Then for obvious reasons the book was banned. Then he changed the word "British" to "Muslim". The ban was lifted. <BR/>I guess the reason the song was made the "national song" is that the word "bande-mataram" became a by-word of freedom struggle.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-47962930164775484112007-09-10T01:18:00.000-07:002007-09-10T01:18:00.000-07:00Patriotism is a religion in itself. It has its sacred rites, sacred myths, sacred songs, sacred objects. It is worse than most religions. I expects every one residing in a particular area to uphold all the sacred symbols and participate in its activities.<BR/>I wonder when we will be rid of this evil religon<BR/><BR/>PervezAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-85021930159425109102007-08-09T11:37:00.000-07:002007-08-09T11:37:00.000-07:00Interesting article.<BR/><BR/>Just wondering... did you happen to read the book by chance and find out the association to the song, or were you trying to find out the why's and how's of Vande Mataram.<BR/><BR/>I always wanted to know why there was objection to Vande Mataram - why is there objection to a song that has been accepted unanimously by one group but not by another- but I did not get a satisfactory answer from any person that I asked.<BR/><BR/>Was also too lazy to delve into the matter deeply myself.<BR/><BR/>What do you say to AR Rehman's recent (well not so recent anymore) version of it?SJhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11439816857061091370noreply@blogger.com