tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post3826510422375504543..comments2023-12-25T18:31:06.166+05:30Comments on Indian Muslim Blog: News And Views about Indian Muslims: Conspiracy theory about Karkare's death: Farooq Mapkar's battle for justice may explain itUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-55007723707825229502012-03-14T08:25:54.987+05:302012-03-14T08:25:54.987+05:30bhai, baki baat ek taraf conspiracy rachne ke liye...bhai, baki baat ek taraf conspiracy rachne ke liye ...unko pahle se pta hona chahiye tha ki 26 ko attack hone wala hai.......chalo agar unko nahi pta ki 26 ko attack hona hai..to kya wo (jisko dickvijay aur antulay sahab hindutva terror bol rahe hai ) news channel dekh ke nikal padhe the ke aaj hi karkare ji ka khatama kar do........aap samajh hi gaye hoke koi bhi conspiracy ek din main nahi rachi jaati iske liye kaafi samay chahiye........ye sab minority votes ko polarise karne ki chaal hai dickvijay ki...agar unko itna hi lagta hai to centre main sarkaar unki, state main sarkar unki...to kar lo probe...kyon t.v pe aa kar allegation lagate ho....aur jitne bhi conspiracy maine suni hai jaise usa ki baat kar lo....unhi ki sarkar hoti hai har jagah involved koi naya element nahi rachta conspiracy...shadyantra rachne ke liye saari machinery honi chahiye aapke sath ...yuhi raah chalte conspiracy nahi bana karti....in digvijyon ne 60 saal se aapko dara dara ke vote liye hai....main koi supporter nahi hun in rss type logon ka....lekin ek do baar apne kisi dost ke sath gya tha inke kisi program main aur kafi sawal kiye the inse...aur jitna maine dekha ye log hatred nahi sikhate hai...jaisa digvijay sahab roz t.v. pe failate rahte hai...aap bhi main to kahta hun first hand experience lo aur rss ke kisi program main khud dekh kar aao ki kya hota hai...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-12181758990201212292009-03-24T23:27:00.000+05:302009-03-24T23:27:00.000+05:30Even if the probe regarding the circumstances of M...Even if the probe regarding the circumstances of Mr Karkare's death has now been swept aside, the chilling lesson to be drawn is that nobody really cared to investigate.<BR/><BR/>A major light of hope for the Muslims was snuffed out. Now the probe into Samjhauta Express, ajmer Dargah, Mecca Masjid has been stalled, or may cease altogether. <BR/><BR/>For the sake of justice, we need to continue to be strong on thisAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-59670162647215157452009-01-04T17:33:00.000+05:302009-01-04T17:33:00.000+05:30Folks,I have lived in about 5 countries until now,...Folks,<BR/><BR/>I have lived in about 5 countries until now, including India. More often than not, I have noticed that the islamic community for some strange unknown reason, does not make an effort to integrate with the rest of the population. In fact, they try to segregate. For example, in a place called Perth in Australia, recently, an islamic group applied for a building permit to build an apartment complex meant exclusively for islamic residents.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-18922915129926075122008-12-27T22:25:00.000+05:302008-12-27T22:25:00.000+05:30It would be better to divert your energies to empa...It would be better to divert your energies to empathizing with the slain innocents, than spinning conspiracy theories.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-77734519695931379132008-12-27T11:55:00.000+05:302008-12-27T11:55:00.000+05:30yeah buddy....u gotta b carefulyeah buddy....u gotta b carefulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-42850772216695611752008-12-27T03:09:00.000+05:302008-12-27T03:09:00.000+05:30Anindita: I also think it's over now, the theories...Anindita: I also think it's over now, the theories.<BR/><BR/>Electionwala Anon: My mistake was that I didn't check the link, I thought as there was nothing objectionable in the comment, the link may also be innocuous. I should've checked.<BR/><BR/>Erebus: I really appreciate your concern. I also grapple with such issues. <BR/><BR/>I wonder why blogger doesn't have the provision of editing comment. I can either publish it or reject it or the third option is to copy it and post the non-objectionable part which is also not the ideal thing to do.editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17073543434209800940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-23908861051065705952008-12-26T18:49:00.000+05:302008-12-26T18:49:00.000+05:30I don’t buy the arguments about Islamic terrorism ...I don’t buy the arguments about Islamic terrorism etc. I<BR/><BR/>say every religion has terrorist outfits. Many Muslims<BR/><BR/>are playing into the dirty hands of non-Islamic<BR/><BR/>terrorists and their ideologues for cash.<BR/><BR/>Dr AbdulAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-57938505334474802752008-12-26T17:27:00.000+05:302008-12-26T17:27:00.000+05:30Dude...why to give a platform to anti-india voices...Dude...why to give a platform to anti-india voices like Dr. abdul here??? In case you do not find it anti-india...please explainAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-46623125865875377162008-12-26T15:17:00.000+05:302008-12-26T15:17:00.000+05:30There are a few observations i would want to make ...There are a few observations i would want to make on this blogpost, and a lot about the event that it talks about...<BR/>Indscribe - you do bring out a few valid points about muslims being at recieving end multiple times in the past, i do agree...I have no idea which city you belong to, but i do have some very good muslim friends, and even more so, i know the way the police operates in this country... corruption knows no religion, and whatever you mentioned is not due to a bias against muslims, but since the muslim community has been made more vulnerable by our(our is for all of us- me as a hindu and u as a muslim) leaders...the so called leaders who represent us...<BR/><BR/>THere was a time we had hindu sikh divide, and people in canada etc still try to forment it, they do not succeed, then why muslims...why does no one raise a voice against ghetto-isation of muslims, could it be because as a lower income muslim family, i would rather send my kids to the local madarasa and not the local municipal school, when incidently both are free of cost (I agree the municipal school is pathetic teaching, but somehow hindu and other kids do go to these schools only, get some formal education and start their lives)....no one forces them to go to a madarasa.... if the only law that i know of is sharia, then "god" ojnly could save me from harassment, and not the law of the land.....we have amazing intelligensia among muslims, some of the best brains in the country are from the community, and they did it on their hard work- is it since they invested in their education, sachar committee says about low patricipation of muslims in jobs and colleges etc....could it be because there are no people meeting those qualiifcation requirements. Among us hindus, there is a SC/ST reservation, and trust me, out of the the colleges i have attended(3 of them), 95% of the people from reserved seats are people whose families are much better off than us, kids of IAS and IPS officers keep getting thegoods, and the rest of the poor people continue to slog their lives off at the bottom of the social ladder, as sweepers and other lowly paid people. You need reservation?? go ahead, all seats would still goto the kids of people who can afford a public school education, like is the case of current hindu SC/ST people.... You need to invest in the education of ur future generation, to bring them up to the needs of the current times, to stand up for themselves, and to further improve the muslim society at large....<BR/><BR/>I have no issues with people reading koran, but jsut being able to read the 6666 lines do not make u a scholar, u need to imbibe what koran stands for, it is not for waging war on others, it is for all of us to assimilate within ourself what it stands for, i m a hindu who has read only the translated version of koran and so may be i do not understand the depth of it, but surely you do, your blog in english means that u r a well eduacted person, ur access to PC means u r from a decently well to do family, and ur tone talks of intellect, i m sure u know the koran and its interpretations well, if reading koran did not stop u from being an educated well placed muslim, why shoudl it stop the others from being a good person, i m sure u know ur rights as a indian citizen(again the rights are not absolute, they are infringed upon with impunity by the people in power), and u wud be in a better position to ward off any misspread stories about ur religion....<BR/><BR/>As fas as the mumbai episode goes, yes, we know that the kiddos wrecking the havoc were seen wearing the saffron bands in hands(we hindus call it tying moli),if that makes the terrorist hindus so be it, they were killed nonetheless....police claims that they came from karachi(you as a victimised muslim have a right to refute the police theory), you could claim that they were all indian hindu terrorists who were trained to kill as a diversion, while the ATS team would be killed in a planned way, GREAT!!! you quesiton the police ...great, but how many times have to questioned the MP from hyderabad, MIM leaders, how many schools have they opened up in the old hyderabad area....how many times did u question the fatwas from ulemas claiming that the polio medicine being administered was an infertility drug - after all hindu kids were given the same medicine.... <BR/><BR/>aap ke aur mere majhab ke neta sirf yehi chahte hain ki hum majhab ke liye ladein, apne liye nahi, apne bhale ke liye nahi, doosre ke bure ke liye.....antulay sahin ke time mein sachar committee ki report aayi, he is the minister for minority affairs, pichle 2 saal mein report aane se aaj tak kya kiya antulay sahab ne, is baar ye bhashan dene ke alawa....kitne school khole unhone, kitne beqasoor muslim jawaano ko galat arrest hone pe jail se nikala....sun lo inhi ki, ye aap ke sab se bade hitaishi hain....the bulwark of indian muslim society...giving words to the hapless silent community....<BR/><BR/>i would love if ur blog brings out the sufferings of an ordinary muslim, something we as indians could attack and get rid of(the sufferings, and not the muslim!!!- is se pehle ki tum mujhe rightist kaho), do something.....turkey is a muslim country, iran is supposedly a hardcore muslim country(even the US says that- iranian fundamentalist) - i have bene to both and the people there, almost 100% muslims, have to go to modern education schooling, madarasa exists, and people send their kids to them only in the evening, for religious educations....karo na aisa kuch, how come we had jamia and AMU coming up earlier in 19th century, and 1000 madarasa coming up now, no universities???....yet again, i m not pointing fingers at you, it is a collective failure...for u and me, and we need to correct it....and the correction is within each one of us, not by blaming others.....<BR/><BR/>U cud have mr. antulay as ur role model or mr Kalam....u cud listen to one, and follow them...take ur pick.....<BR/><BR/>PS- These are purely my views, my knowledge of koran is limited to a translated version and selected readings from other scholars, and in case it hurt someone's religious feelings, i apologize. The idea is not to offend the religion, but the way it is interpreted.Erebushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08290151005189293894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-19014646362305701562008-12-26T13:49:00.000+05:302008-12-26T13:49:00.000+05:30For all those asking questions on why so much of m...For all those asking questions on why so much of mistrust among communities..so called Dr. Abdul provides the answer...any comments mr indescribe?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-13781650910786284122008-12-26T13:13:00.000+05:302008-12-26T13:13:00.000+05:30Karkare was breaking a myth that it is only the 'M...Karkare was breaking a myth that it is only the 'Muslim who can be a terrorist'.<BR/><BR/>- The best statement. <BR/><BR/>I think the period of shock is over and there are no more conspiracy theories now.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03147671800930633111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-6550158393426579852008-12-26T11:47:00.000+05:302008-12-26T11:47:00.000+05:30This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-49254779150945563742008-12-25T00:43:00.000+05:302008-12-25T00:43:00.000+05:30Ishvani: thanksAnser Azim Sb: Not heard much about...Ishvani: thanks<BR/><BR/>Anser Azim Sb: Not heard much about that for sometime. May be it was to fool or was it something like friendship band? <BR/><BR/>Pinku: Exactly. Such was the enormity of the attack that we were all stunned during the three days. You still think about the period and you feel..'My god was it real'....but then there is always a minuscule section of people who have theories....and it is also important to address that. Pratap Bhanu Mehta has written a nice piece in Indian Express' editorial page on Wednesday. He also mentioned those with RSS-tilt who sent SMSs that 'ATS personnel paid with their lives because of Sadhvi's wrath' as also about these people who float theories of RSS guys' involvement.<BR/><BR/>Kagaz ki Kashti: Nice to know you had a chance to enjoy the Sham-e-Oudh (Awadh). I think UP cops are most uncivil and rough compared to other states. May be Haryana could police can give them a competition. <BR/><BR/>Thanks Information Junkie, Z@ki-R and Anon. Shukria Kashif bhai.<BR/><BR/>Election wala Anon: Yes, cops don't distinguish much. Mostly the poor are the worst victims of the cops' mistreatment. However, often there are also caste biases and similar prejudices that work in different regions.<BR/><BR/>Nita: Thanks.editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17073543434209800940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-16718824693809504422008-12-23T22:52:00.000+05:302008-12-23T22:52:00.000+05:30Well, it is true what you say, that the reason som...Well, it is true what you say, that the reason some Muslims believe in the conspiracy theory is because they are reacting emotionally to it. They are very upset with Karkare's death and feel insecure about the fate of the investigation. But I do not think that Antulay himself thinks like this. I think he is too canny a politician. However he was aware that there were those who thought like this and he latched on it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-69931649580172996122008-12-23T22:16:00.000+05:302008-12-23T22:16:00.000+05:30India's motto is Satyamev Jayate (Truth alone triu...India's motto is Satyamev Jayate (Truth alone triumphs), so let the truth prevail by doing investigations from all possible angles. <BR/><BR/>Enemies of India should be exposed.kashifhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06820365648608436838noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-36848938603080146542008-12-23T19:59:00.000+05:302008-12-23T19:59:00.000+05:30well...ur point abt police atrocities are valid......well...ur point abt police atrocities are valid...bt tht problem is just nt limited to hindu-muslim bias...police atrocities spare no oneAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-4081221201247983352008-12-23T16:18:00.000+05:302008-12-23T16:18:00.000+05:30the police in India is a state within a state. it ...the police in India is a state within a state. it is corrupt and to a large extent it is the fault of the government which has used it to muzzle opposition and target people opposed to it. A large credit should go to Congress, which has been ruling for the longest. <BR/><BR/>For once instead of wagging fingers at each other, the nation should see the pitfalls of playing the regional, casteist, communal, religious card and be impartial - a crime in any language is a crime. <BR/><BR/>All law enforcement and investigative agencies should be autonomous, which is not the case in India. Nepotism and saving one's 'OWN' is the religion they follow. One is ashamed.<BR/><BR/><BR/>astralwicks.wordpress.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-21722119387797147412008-12-23T13:05:00.000+05:302008-12-23T13:05:00.000+05:30Thanks for this post. This throws some insight int...Thanks for this post. This throws some insight into those conspiracy theories but I don't think, the hate mongers are willing to hear anything. No amount of facts would calm down - so better not answer them but such postings are necessary. I don't understand why some commentators are saying that you are trying to justify the terrorists or the Anthuley's remarks. I believe, you agree, <B>Anthuley did a very irresponsible thing and the timing was real bad </B>, given that our TRP starved media will go any length to create a hue. My thought - if being a part of the govenrnment you can not do anything why don't you leave the post and bring your theory to people's notice ? But expecting this from a politician is too much I guess.<BR/><BR/>One Request - When you delete a post ( most probably they are unperliamentary )- could you add a brief reason ? I know it's difficult - but only if you can...this would display some picture of the media-manipulated 'educated' commentators who have no soul, mind or brain but their office's computer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-74551519887316451072008-12-23T11:50:00.000+05:302008-12-23T11:50:00.000+05:30On my recent visit to Lucknow, I hired an auto fro...On my recent visit to Lucknow, I hired an auto from GPO to Gomti nagar. A policeman stopped it to board without my permission (not a shared auto), made comfortable himself on the front seat & later got down half way without paying. I asked the auto wala why did'nt he ask money? And he replied "Madam mujh marna to nahin hai, woh police hai, licence to kill for anything"<BR/><BR/>That explains everything..My travel dairyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15071568832462259221noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-85379470989881499852008-12-23T10:49:00.000+05:302008-12-23T10:49:00.000+05:30when persequetion becomes a persistent factor..thi...when persequetion becomes a persistent factor..this kind of theories are bound to float....<BR/><BR/>but looking at it closely one knows that atleast this one theory is not at all borne out by facts.Pinkuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06714914168230658950noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-30318721351941496732008-12-23T09:31:00.000+05:302008-12-23T09:31:00.000+05:30Ha ha ha ha... Mr Azim I know what you are trying ...Ha ha ha ha... Mr Azim I know what you are trying to say. But one thing I must tell you all the terrorist died in 26/11 Mumbai are Muslims. And there is no doubt about that.<BR/><BR/>Don't defend them when they make any mistakes. These conspiracy theory doesn't help them (terrorist) but it will provoked other Muslim youth to join the jehadi terrorism and ISI uses them effectively. <BR/><BR/>STOP supporting them by loose end conspiracy theories.<BR/><BR/>amithabh.jha19Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-78611890210849845072008-12-23T09:30:00.000+05:302008-12-23T09:30:00.000+05:30This comment has been removed by the author.editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17073543434209800940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-73746968608010764872008-12-23T03:52:00.000+05:302008-12-23T03:52:00.000+05:30The timeline developed lays out how Salaskar, Kamt...The <A HREF="http://onlybombay.blogspot.com/2008/12/how-did-salaskar-kamate-karkare-die.html" REL="nofollow">timeline developed lays out how Salaskar, Kamte, and Karkare were killed</A>. Salaskar went down fighting.Information Junkiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16163764958841226485noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-22700015870189052802008-12-23T01:52:00.000+05:302008-12-23T01:52:00.000+05:30I raead somewhere that One of the terrorist, Amir ...I raead somewhere that One of the terrorist, Amir Kasab, caught on CCTV camera at the Chattrapati Shivaji railway station wore a sacred Hindu wristband. Was it a disguise to fool our police or all other nine were wearing those rakhi bands. I did not get any information on other nine. Has all other nine wore that wristband or just Kasab?? getting curious after reading all these conspiracy theories by ARoy and Mr Mishra and now MR AntulayAnser Azimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13482708104207832770noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-56290941405651094032008-12-23T01:19:00.000+05:302008-12-23T01:19:00.000+05:30I can understand the sentiment.I can understand the sentiment.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com