tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post3904961553605529773..comments2023-12-25T18:31:06.166+05:30Comments on Indian Muslim Blog: News And Views about Indian Muslims: Can Indians, Muslims forget Gujarat riots, get over the 2002 communal carnage? Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-91503620418484281862013-09-15T23:28:30.509+05:302013-09-15T23:28:30.509+05:30@Editor, Thank you for your reply.
You have fail...@Editor, Thank you for your reply. <br /><br />You have failed to address most of the points I raised, but let me clarify a few things from your reply.... <br /><br />The culture of our land believes in non violence and I abhor and condemn all kinds of violence from all parties. But your article only seemed to condemn one side of the violence. <br /><br />My speak on the Gujarat riots were not a justification of the riots, rather an attempt to correct your perception that it was pre-meditated. While you blamed modi and his governance (while it was his government that quickly controlled the situation, without the help of neighbouring congressi states or the government), you did not mention about the reason for the riot. <br /><br />The riots were not pre-planned, it was the purging of the pilgrims that was. <br /><br />The Godhra train burning was indeed pre-meditated... else you would not have a mob of many hundreds surrounding a train, at the specific time it was scheduled to arrive, carrying inflammables, purposefully locking the doors from the outside, setting the bogey alight, and watching it burn before quietly escaping - please tell me you seriously do not think this is mere coincidence. <br /><br />Brother, you did not consider me a kafir and I never implied that. But there are groups within the muslim community that would consider me a kafir and if the events in pakistan, egypt, indonesia, syria, and even kashmir are to be believed, these groups will not stop at asserting this belief when they find themselves in a position of strength. <br /><br />As for my name, just call me brother... we belong to the same family don't we :)Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17619232750185184391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-8299666411998139422013-09-15T12:56:33.326+05:302013-09-15T12:56:33.326+05:30Brother unknown.
Action-Reaction theory? So for e...Brother unknown.<br /><br />Action-Reaction theory? So for every murder, there is no need for police and courts? The victim's kin should murder the killer's family and parents?<br /><br />Is that your logic? Secondly, your presume that it was a planned Muslim conspiracy to kill innocent Hindus? Whatever.<br /><br />I don't consider Hindus as 'kafir'. I think you picked up this from a propaganda site. If Narendra Modi is a Hindutvawadi, I have no problem with that either.<br /><br />It is his right. In fact, if Indians want him to win, he will win. That's the beauty of our democracy in which we all believe and are proud of.<br /><br />Wish you had mentioned your name also. Thanks anyway. editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17073543434209800940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-18844443122465242992013-09-15T09:03:05.562+05:302013-09-15T09:03:05.562+05:30Dear Indian Muslim, you have written a well articu...Dear Indian Muslim, you have written a well articulated composition on why the 2002 riots cannot be forgotten and here is where I think you have erred. <br /><br />I do not want to begin with the 'facts & figures' of how Modi handled the riots better than most riots that happened in India.<br /><br />You call yourself an Indian muslim, why not just an Indian (not as if it makes you any less dear to god). You are especially liable because you find problem with Modi calling himself a Hindu and a nationalist. <br /><br />You have expressed your concerns about the muslim poet's tomb, where as you do not have as much pain for the women and children burnt in the train. <br /><br />Keep the rhetoric on modi, BJP, communalism & secularism aside and think about this - Who were those men, and who were the mullas who told these men that burning women and children would make them dearer to god. If someone can be brainwashed to this extend, let us all first take pledge and act to destroy such thoughts. <br /><br />You have forgotten the essence and the lesson of the riots - The riots were a reaction to an event, it was the train burning event itself which germinated from the venomous hate for those that do not share your beliefs. If you have to weed out this communal hate, lets start at the bottom. Skimming from the top, will not stem the rot from the bottom. <br /><br />You speak about the muslims that died in the riots, what about the non-muslims. Agreed they are kafirs, but should they not at least make a mention in your well thought and prepared essay. <br /><br />And, where is the account of the muslim mobs that went around on rampage during Gujarat riots. <br /><br />I want to say more, ask more... but I dont want to re-open old wounds.. I wish we could all simply forget, alas it is not so easy. Lets hope and work towards not repeating a Gujarat or a Godhra..... (Oops... it did happen in UP... )Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17619232750185184391noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-79727760148012002192013-07-08T21:56:33.178+05:302013-07-08T21:56:33.178+05:30"Looks like minorities prefer scam-filled &qu..."Looks like minorities prefer scam-filled "secular" Congress than any other better alternative like BJP."<br />That's correct, and reason is - A communal (read morally+materially corrupt) is far worse for a minority than a corrupt (just materially).<br />urdudaaNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15797516569362933089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-33387311713574629592013-07-06T06:42:49.872+05:302013-07-06T06:42:49.872+05:30Why no soul-stirring pictures from recent Assam ri...Why no soul-stirring pictures from recent Assam riots where published by media? Were these victims less humane compared to Gujarat riot victims? The reason is very simple; Assam was under "secular" congress rule. If it were happen in a "communal" BJP/NDA ruled state, media would have reported aggressively.<br /><br />Looks like minorities prefer scam-filled "secular" Congress than any other better alternative like BJP.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-57388163055288238712013-07-03T11:51:49.646+05:302013-07-03T11:51:49.646+05:30Mr Editor,
You are absolutely right. There is no ...Mr Editor,<br /><br />You are absolutely right. There is no question of forgetting. In fact, it is a crime to forget and move on. Hindus must nurse and preserve the bleeding wounds inflicted by Islamic marauders centuries ago by breaking temples, erecting mosques in their places, butchering Hindu men and abducting Hindu women. No Muslim, to date, has ever expressed remorse for these acts, neither has the Muslim community ever offered to rebuild the temples such as Kashi, Mathura and the rest, demolished by their Hindu-hating co-religionists.<br /><br />Do I make sense? I am only applying your logic in the reverse direction.Free and Footloosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16911514463551198170noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-12247297549697208152013-07-02T22:54:28.357+05:302013-07-02T22:54:28.357+05:30One question: Could Muslims forget 2002 as another...One question: Could Muslims forget 2002 as another riot if Modi was defeated in elections and was a nobody now?<br /><br />Your reasons 1-9 (which mostly suggest lack of some abstract aspects such as pretence, sophisticated gestures, photo-ups and politically correct noises) would remain unchanged, but perhaps the riot would be forgotten like the earlier riots. So I guess, the focus should have been on the only remaining reason. <br /><br />To me the essential differences between 2002 and the earlier/later riots were: 1) 2002 occurred under a BJP (pro-majority) government, so perceptions about motive etc. and administrative involvement were amplified. 2) The CM was from a non-elite background, made no sophisticated gestures but politically incorrect noises, gained notoriety in media but continued to win elections, 3) The riots were widely reported with live visuals (similar visuals were not shown in say the recent Assam riots). <br /><br />In terms of tangible factors such as destruction levels, administrative breakdown/collusion, involvement of some politicians, post riot justice delivery, rehabilitation etc., I guess 2000 was no worse than some other riots in the country.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-91539337882029436622013-07-02T19:02:29.234+05:302013-07-02T19:02:29.234+05:30can bjp president assure the muslim community that...can bjp president assure the muslim community that they will forget ayodhya, rebuild all mosques and dargahs destroyed, and provide equal opportunities for muslims where education , government jobs etc are concerned, first they should implement their good intentions in the few states that they have majority in then ask for support at an all india level...most of all can they assure justice?<br />alim chaglaalim chaglanoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-45056785316551480692013-07-02T12:09:00.525+05:302013-07-02T12:09:00.525+05:30@anonymous, whenever a colleague points out "...@anonymous, whenever a colleague points out "your zip is open", I don't zip it up, instead I try to recall when was the last time he left it open. Even if I haven't seen him leaving it open, I'm quite sure he must have done it some time. I WIN!!urdudaaNhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15797516569362933089noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-68508330806101134262013-07-02T02:02:50.686+05:302013-07-02T02:02:50.686+05:30@Thanks Danesh bhai, Shukria Almas sahiba
@Anonym...@Thanks Danesh bhai, Shukria Almas sahiba<br /><br />@Anonymous: Akbar Owaisi made a really bad and condemnable speech. It was widely condemned by Muslims as well as media. He was booked and the trial is on. editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17073543434209800940noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-61347630230277686692013-07-01T21:45:56.851+05:302013-07-01T21:45:56.851+05:30I disagree with you on this topic.all riots are un...I disagree with you on this topic.all riots are unwanted & are equally damaging to the society.there have been riots which had a much greater scale than godhra.does anyone even know the name of cms when big riots happened in indian history from 1947?.people only know godhra because it was during bjp regime.indian media is also pro congress so always media is anti bjp.lakhs of hindus were killed & thrown away from kashmir.did congress ever issue an apology?did u see any coverage of hindu refugees from pakistan in indian media?did any media house condemned akbaruddin owaisi?news channels dedicated hours to inflammatory speech of varun gandhi.if u compare both speeches owaisi's speech was 1000 times more inflammatory. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-76411374978820024932013-07-01T21:24:22.386+05:302013-07-01T21:24:22.386+05:30read about real teesta seetalvad.she is one of the...read about real teesta seetalvad.she is one of the pseudo secularist.<br /><br />http://en.newsbharati.com/Encyc/2013/7/1/Rags-to-riches-after-2000-Gujarat-riots-Teesta-swallowed-riot-victims-money-.aspxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-11342785423687550382013-07-01T13:19:56.695+05:302013-07-01T13:19:56.695+05:30Thank you for this article and a special thanks fo...Thank you for this article and a special thanks for the links in your post... they too are very touching reads...Almas Kiran Shamimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15490672837424765800noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-14053277.post-54559948742402989882013-07-01T09:55:57.881+05:302013-07-01T09:55:57.881+05:30Very well articulated, nice and succinct.Very well articulated, nice and succinct.Daneshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07801817103097495240noreply@blogger.com