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Dear Ankuresh Sahab. I have visited your blog and ...

2011-01-02T09:10:40.426-08:00

Dear Ankuresh Sahab. I have visited your blog and seen your posts.

Do you think Muslims want Kasab to be alive? You are sadly mistaken. People in this country have been on death rows for decades.

Name one Muslim leader who ha ever advocated violence in India. The problem is that when ULFA chief is released from jail, no one pays attention.

Do you know how many times Hindi-speakers are separated from rest and killed?

No body bothers when an Indian is not allowed to enter Nagaland without permit. But when it comes to Kashmir, BJP-brainwashed guys see 'Muslim angle' and feel it is appeasement.

I feel you are quite intellegent. Perhaps, as you grow up you will see things in better perspective.

Just like Congress is not a party of angels, BJP is also playing is own politics of Hindu victimisation.

why is it always that muslims(I am not saying all ...

2011-01-02T05:11:43.469-08:00

why is it always that muslims(I am not saying all but majority does no matter how much u deny) feel happy when digvijay and antulay or other congressis make false accusations and propaganda to defame majority.

http://ankuresh.blogspot.com/2011/01/things-that-we-again-didnt-do-in-2010.html

@ anon

I begin to think you enjoy the fact ...

2008-12-23T11:24:00.000-08:00

@ anon

I begin to think you enjoy the fact that the Karachi riots were caused by RAW. and not only that, but the recent Ghakkar Plaza fire in rawalpindi that caused billion of rupees loss to Pakistan.
Interpol chief has also said today that India has not provided any evidence and the UN has praised Pakistan's efforts yesterday. As far as the US is concerned, they can never come out of their dependence on pakistan, because of the nature of the Pak-Afghan border, the Torkham route being the shortest supply route even if the Iran route is opened (which Iran never will agree to, as it considers the US the Great Satan) and because the CIA cannot afford severing links with the ISI. You see, whatever the GOvernment may think, the establishment and the people know well that America has never been our friend but China has been.

Anyways, this is a fruitless discussion. So you stick to your opinion and let me have mine.We can never convince eachother

Karkare was an anti-national, so is Antuley. Who c...

2008-12-22T19:58:00.000-08:00

Karkare was an anti-national, so is Antuley. Who can be aggrieved for an anti-national? Only an antinational.

The media is behaving as if they never ever falter. They do it all the time. May be they think they have a right to call names as long as their offices are not at a risk from the targets like Antuley or an accused Indian Muslim. Dare they call names to any of the nationalists when they become overtly so? Will their offices be safe from the public ire which cannot be controlled by the helpless police?

On one hand people say that Mr.Antuley is a respon...

2008-12-22T19:52:00.000-08:00

On one hand people say that Mr.Antuley is a responsible figure, a union cabinet minister. If so, why are his comments not being taken seriously by asking him what he meant & doing accordingly?
Is a cabinet minister good just for iterating what the media or the notorious common man thinks?

@Faroha (from anon of post#2)
Again denial. Pak...

2008-12-22T17:59:00.000-08:00

@Faroha (from anon of post#2)
Again denial. Pakistani intelligence has not completely severed links off from the Taliban. Infact ISI still encourages the Taliban insurgents who cross over to Afghanistan to fight NATO. Its a well known fact that the ISI used one of the Taliban militants Jalaluddin Haqqani to bomb the Indian embassy in Kabul, and did not even bother to cover its tracks. Both the US and India have confirmed this link but ofcourse Pakistan again denied everything.

But this time in Mumbai, the evidence is overwhelming and the captured Ajmal has spilled the beans to India and has been interrogated by FBI too. RAW will definitely extract its revenge (the Karachi riots were a small example), but what India wants is a permanent end to this problem. Already US is going to open an alternate Afghan supply line through Tajikistan and Russia within few weeks. Once US is free from that constraint, I believe it will be open season on Pakistan.

@ anon

Well, let's not turn it into an INdi...

2008-12-22T12:19:00.000-08:00

@ anon

Well, let's not turn it into an INdia vs Pakistan debate. I have family members fighting on the Pak-Afghan front and I know what I am talking about when I say there is Indian funding and involvement. Its not only the press, we have family who have seen it with their own eyes and told us.

Yes, the pakistani establishment had links with these jihadis after the Afghan war, but severed them in Musharraf era. That's why many people were angry with Musharraf, but that's the only good thing he did. And what do you think, on how many fronts can the Pakistan army fight? In Bajaur, we have a full conflict. Do you want to push all our forces in all 7 tribal agencies at once and leave our Indian border unmanned? The Pakistani and Indian establishments have always viewed eachother as principal threats and no amount of insurgencies is going to change that.

@Faroha (from anaon of post#2)
Nawaz Sharif was...

2008-12-22T07:00:00.000-08:00

@Faroha (from anaon of post#2)
Nawaz Sharif was not misquoted, I have seen the video where he clearly asks why the parents of Ajmal are not allowed to meet media, why his village is cordoned off - which is a clear admission that Ajmal is pakistani. Anyway there is heaps and heaps of evidence, as I said just like kargil pakistan will eventually accept the truth. India didnt even have to share any evidence then.

Now as far as tit for tat - well firstly get your facts straight - India DOES NOT have 12 consulates in Afghanistan but 4 apart from the embassy in Kabul. You are regurgitating a blatant lie that is frequently reported in pakistani press with any crosscheck. The RAW involvement is completely exaggerated by the pakistani media.

Secondly, if pakistan has any evidence against RAW it is free to share it with UN. Pakistan can try to capture the insurgents like Mehsud and present them to the world. But it wont. Why? Because these individuals would blow the lid off pakistani involvement in the funding and sustenance of Taliban and AlQaeda. Simple fact is that pakistani establishment is so deeply mired in acts of omission and commission with regard to terrorism that even a scratch on the surface will expose their involvement.

Anon @ Yes this will serve as lesson hopefully tha...

2008-12-22T05:26:00.000-08:00

Anon @ Yes this will serve as lesson hopefully that people should be given portfolios and positions on the basis of their capability than closeness to the family.

Kashif bhai, Anser Sb, Faroha @ thanks for your comments

Rohit, Aalochana @ Most of us agree about the 'irresponsibility' and probably also the 'timing'.

Amitabh bhai @ Such surveys aren't very reliable. The figures seems to high.

Contrarian Broodings @ I won't care much if the Congress govt is kicked into Arabian sea...let's see who comes to power...Rane Sahab, Thackeray Jrs, Munde ji or someother...

Kagaz ki Kashti @ Yahi to baat hai. These days anger is also channelised by electronic media against selected persons time to time. It's another ply for TRP.

Shadkam bhai @ Antulay's name we heard a lot in our childhood when he got into a scam. Then he was away from limelight for a longtime. Mahmood Madani's interview....I couldn't watch...heard that it was good. Wonder, if it is available on Aaj Tak site...

@ thanks z@ki-R, Indefferent, Election wala Anon and others for the discussion.

Antulay said all that he had to say coz he wanted ...

2008-12-22T03:40:00.000-08:00

Antulay said all that he had to say coz he wanted to please his muslim brothers but his plan backfired and his own party has now deserted him. A union minister is the representative of the people and if the Minority affairs' minister says something utterly crap like that it is bound to grab attention.

@Faroha- No it's not about wat that Minister said (we r a lot more tolerant to hear such nonsense) It was about the timing. He could have saved his wisdom till the elections

Whomsoever is baying for Antuley's blood (for he i...

2008-12-21T23:13:00.000-08:00

Whomsoever is baying for Antuley's blood (for he is a union minister):
Ask for his resignation, I support u. But stop at that, don't term him anti national / ISI agent.

Is Advani (leader of opposition and a perenially-waiting-prime-minister) a shishu in crade (pragya/torture episode)

Modi, who has more indian blood on his hands than perhaps any other person in post-47 india, u never call anti national.

Media's (over)reaction is not surprising. Imagine ...

2008-12-21T23:03:00.000-08:00

Media's (over)reaction is not surprising. Imagine the days before media got to hear of Pragya and Purohit (Thanks to Karkare Sir). Even to mention that malegaon (and hyd / ajmer) blasts "may" have been carried out by non-muslims, was to do an "Aa bail mujhe maar", a recipe to be termed anti national.
But though I m feeling bad for media's reaction, I don't harbour "ratti bhar" hamdardi for Antuley.

The astronomical amount of (flak / negative publicity) he is getting, I agree with Indescrib, he does not deserve. But trust me - this is what he wanted. This is why he uttered those remarks.
Consider this, despite being CM of MH, and a central minister, how many moslems knew him. In fact, I m convinced more knew Haji Yaquoub Qureshi than knew Antuley.

But this one (master)stroke secured his place in history.

And what he had to lose - a cabinet berth, which anyway is a mehamaan of just a few more months.

And Indes, request to please cover Mehmood Madani's interview with Prabhu Chawla on this blog - it was really good.

Adnan Bhai, I appreciate the way you spoke your mi...

2008-12-21T20:49:00.000-08:00

Adnan Bhai, I appreciate the way you spoke your mind here, giving emphasis that the media should not blow things out of proportion on minister Antulay's remarks, whether asking questions in democracy is right or wrong...

But one thing is quite obvious that Mr H. Karkare was getting treats after his findings on Malegaon, is it not enough a reason for finding out the people/organisation behind the given treats earlier??
Why it should be taken as a causal approach on the part of the Government on treats to its own government servant?

Bravo, Bravo.. You guys are genius. The way you tu...

2008-12-21T19:03:00.000-08:00

Bravo, Bravo.. You guys are genius. The way you turn the points towards print media are amazing. I am feeling guilty man!...:-)

I was joking. Let’s talk some serious things. First, Antulay is or was, ‘I don’t know’, not just a union minister he is also a Muslim and what he said upto some extent is the general perception of Indian Muslims. There is one news paper in Mumbai who has done a survey on Mumbai 26/11 terror attack and find more than 90% Muslims believe that Hemant Karkare was killed by some Hindu organization. We should not just take lines what have been said we need to read between the lines as well. You are supporting the above said opinion not you believe in him. You have something in your heart because he has arrested IM terrorist. You are actually pacifying yourself. If he wouldn’t has arrested the IM terrorist you wouldn’t be giving the damm whether is alive or not. I am feeling pity for you and now I am feeling guilty as well….

@ anonymous

First of all, Nawaz Sharif has ...

2008-12-21T14:07:00.000-08:00

@ anonymous

First of all, Nawaz Sharif has not accepted any such thing. If you had heard the interview, you would have known it. He merely criticized the security services for denying access of the area to journalists as if KASAb was a citizen and thats what GEO reported. It was mis-quoted by Indian newspapers and PML-N has contradicted it.

Secondly, let there be tit for tat. Forget Kargil, it was a disaster. BUt if the Indian Govt gives Pakistan any evidence, which it has not done so far, Pakistan should also take to the UNSC proof of Indian involvement in the insurgencies in Balochistan and FAta, which it possesses. And ask the Indians why are there 12 consulates of India alonside Pakistan-Afghanistan border? and why is the grandson of Akbar Bugti, Talal, is photographed coming out of RAW offices, and why does Baitullah Mehsud blackmails pakistan Govt to bow to his demands otherwise he'll ask India to give him the money, and why are Indian made weapons continuously captured from FATA and what was an INdian under cover RAW woman agent doing in BAlochistan? Pakistan should not be so large-hearted and should take the matter to UNSC, even if it fears that America and Russia will veto. This is all part of a GREAt game and India and Pakistan are just two pawns playing against eachother

@Faroha (from anon of post # 2)
I dont know why...

2008-12-20T16:42:00.000-08:00

@Faroha (from anon of post # 2)
I dont know why you cannot understand a simple issue - A minster (AR Antulay) is outright irresponsible if he espouses a personal opinion at variance with the govt position on a matter of national importance. Once again, A CABINET MINISTER CANNOT CAST DOUBTS ON HIS OWN GOVERNMENTS POSITION. Also he did not raise the matter in the cabinet or even the parliament, but rather to the media - it was just a political drama. Moreover, Antulay has been roundly criticized by many muslim organizations and his own party - primarily because he holds a position of responsibility. He can resign or should be sacked and thereafter speak whatever comes to his mind.

Regarding pakistani involvement - Ajmal has confessed to the FBI about his nationality and LeTs involvement. FBI has traced the communication links used by terrorists to pakistan based LeT. US, UK and UN security council also believe pakistani militants are involved. Your own pakistani newspapers and TV channels have confirmed Ajmal is from pakistan. There was a conspiracy afloat in pakistani media that Ajmal was kidnapped by India from Nepal in 2006 - even this has been denied yesterday by the Nepal government.
Even Nawaz sharif has admitted that Ajmal is pakistani and pakistan needs to intorspect. I mean how long will the pakistani govt live in denial in the face of a mountain of evidence.

This is the same ostrich like attitude that pakistan adopted in kargil in 1999 when it claimed pakistan and pakistani soldiers were not involved. Pakistani generals and politicians themselves have since debunked this lie in great detail. So it is not that surprising that pakistani govt lives in denial about 26/11. Sooner or later it will accept the truth anyway just like it eventually did about Kargil.

@ zakir

I am a Pakistani girl, not a man. <...

2008-12-20T12:32:00.000-08:00

@ zakir

I am a Pakistani girl, not a man.

And yes, I do appreciate your polite manner of replying to my comment, but let me tell you something also. This impression of a terrible scenario in pakistan is just an eye wash. The only problem is in the Tribal areas and yes , a very serious problem there, but dumping Jihadis after using them in the Afghan war will lead to such behavior on their part. They are wrong of course and this is not islamic in anyway, but itis also the truth that more than the Pashtuns fighting there, there are Chechens and Uzbeks, afghans and then the Pashtuns fighting there. Of course we will fight back and will not let any strict ideology take us as hostage, but the majority of the people of pakistan are moderates. However, the world only views us as fanatics, and thats why, we have come so much under attack after the Mumbai blast, Kasab or no kasab

@ anonymous

Well, I had specifically said i...

2008-12-20T12:06:00.000-08:00

@ anonymous

Well, I had specifically said in the beginning of the comment that I am not judging between India and Pakistan; I am just discussing the right to freedom of expression. I was right to fear bashing and got a sarcastic remark that since I was a Pakistani, I may not know about collective responsibility. I donot want to return your compliment but let this suffice, I stick to my viewpoint. The minister has every right to express his opinion; he is not in a court where he has to give proof of everything. In a Lok Sabha session, anyone can introduce a point of debate and democracy demands that a debate is conducted on it, instead of its causing an uproar. Also, if India can present the proof to UNSC then why not to Pakistan? And the matter of Jamat-ud Daawa was pending before UNSC since MY, 2008. Only CHina had delayed the matter for son long, citing a technical fault ( which in diplomatic terms is a way to delay an agenda). Only when China gave it a go-aheafd on DEc 4, was the matter discussed in UNSC. And China did it because Pakistan asked it not to delay the matter further, so as to release some pressure. Otherwise Jamaat-ud-Daawa is an organization which has been awarded by the UN itself for its relief work in the Kashmir earthquake, 2005. Recently, about 300 Hindus in Pakistan's Hyderabad ,carried out a rally in JuD's support because it provided them with food and education, regardless of their faith. And didnt the UNSC know that one Ashraf it was banning was already dead?I am not supporting any terrorist cause but just giving you a summary of all that Pakistanis are saying. We feel very strongly that India is using Pakistan as a scapegoat for its own intelligence failures and as a blind to hide the insurgencies raging in India. If any pakistanis are involved, IF, then they must be punished because such behavior is inexcusable, but the question is a big IF? and no one in Pakistan believes these so called confessions. Torture can make a man speak, truth or a lie, to save his own skin and the body of the recently handed over Pakistani man who had gone to India to see cricket match,speaks volumes of the efficiency of Indian torture mechanisms

If someone would be relieved after Karkareji's mar...

2008-12-20T12:03:00.000-08:00

If someone would be relieved after Karkareji's martyrdom then it is the BJP RsS leaders who were involved in terrorism.

"Let them speak. Silencing is not healthy in democ...

2008-12-20T11:15:00.000-08:00

"Let them speak. Silencing is not healthy in democracy."

is israel a democracy? is america a democracy?

this paki mole would have been summarily executed in these countries.

"Abu Bashar is equally a terrorist as Waliullah as...

2008-12-20T11:12:00.000-08:00

"Abu Bashar is equally a terrorist as Waliullah as Pragya Bharti and as Lt Col Purohit"

why? where's the evidence?

all inquiries, investigations, and narco tests have yielded ZERO results.

yup, thats right. zero, nada, zilch!

on a side note why is this secular govt. not doing narco test on kasab? would that be too communal?

i agree with your point about rabble rousers like raj thackeray. but this is just a dirty game played by congress to divide fragment the hindu vote from the shiv sena/bjp.

in the next assembly elections, the people of maharashtra will kick congress and its cronies out into the arabian sea.

If tommrow our pm is caught red-handed in taking b...

2008-12-20T07:49:00.000-08:00

If tommrow our pm is caught red-handed in taking bribe, would you expect people to

react same way as a trafic police caught taking bribe? i think, you would agree, the

answer is NO and should not be considered same, eventhough both are same in the eye of

the constitution.
To my pakistani brother, Faroha - i don't think, pakistan's common people is different

than us but it is established, pakistan is the breeding ground of biggest part of

terrorism today - and all in the name of islam.the people there also are the sufferers.

Even if the journalists who confirmed the citizenship of the caught terrorist did not

do investigations, still it would not have been difficult to prove their origin. please

don't mis-understand me...i m proud of the rich heritage of the both sibbling countries

but unfortunately situation in pakistan is not in control of the govt and everything is

going in fanatic's control which is not good for anyone of us.
I still think, AR Anthuley should not have spoken is mind to the press. He's a part of

the government... why he didn't use his influence of position to initiate a proof...or

he does not have any say in govt? if that is the case, why didn't he quite the govt at

the earliest? Such irresponsible ministers are liability to any govt. (dr. singh's govt

has many such pieces).

btw karkare was investigating other terrorist acti...

2008-12-20T06:12:00.000-08:00

btw karkare was investigating other terrorist activities as well....and he did get threats frm IM also....so if u have to derive a conspiracy theory...why nt look at tht angle also...may b terrorists DID target him...u never know....bt tht wont fetch antuley any political benefits...
@kasif...may b this all tragedy is staged...why dnt u question this also...after all we aint living in a facist society or whtever....
as per antuley....it might just have given some benefit to pak's conspiracy theories...aftr all his words become official...

I do not agree with your defence of Antulay, but I...

2008-12-19T19:19:00.000-08:00

I do not agree with your defence of Antulay, but I do agree with your comments on the reaction to it. As a person at a post with considerable responsibility & power, I think he should have been more careful with his comments-- why should he raise a storm with incomplete information/analysis? That said, Antulay's comments don't make him anti-national, though they certainly show that he was irresponsible. Our media keeps showing its own irresponsibility, if not immaturity, by sensationalizing and distorting such incidents. What relevance has Pakistan with regards to whether an Indian leader is responsible or not?

Folks,

Raising doubts in a democracy is fin...

2008-12-19T18:24:00.000-08:00

Folks,

Raising doubts in a democracy is fine. And welcome.

But as others have pointed out, there is a difference between Arundhati Roy and A R Antulay. Antulay has the medium of government to raise his doubts; he chose not because he preferred playing to the gallery.

And that is the key problem. Bottomline: The state has to be given the benefit of doubt. I believe the state when it says Purohit and company may be involved in Malaegon. And I believe the state when it says the terrorists were Pakistanis. Haul the state over the coals when it is proven wrong but it can't be the default position.