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Sunday, February 17, 2008

Dividing UP: Harit Pradesh, Bundelkhand & Purvanchal


Uttar Pradesh, the heart of India, and the great landmass with a population of 200 million may get trifurcated into three states (or even four states).

And Lucknow may lose its political power that will get divided among Varanasi*, Jhansi and Meerut, the capitals of the proposed states.

It may take a couple of more years for the states to come into existence, but the growing regional aspirations among people in these regions and the politicians' vested interests will ultimately lead to the division of these states.

Though UP is difficult to govern, given its size, the fact remains that smaller states have turned out to be bigger failures. As long as Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand were part of greater Madhya Pradesh and greater Bihar, the situation in these regions was not as bad as today.

Both the states that had huge mineral deposits and other natural resources, have become hotbeds of Naxalism. Corruption has grown by leaps and bounds and insurgency has made development impossible. These arguments aside, the states will ultimately come into existence. Bundelkhand is the most under-developed region in North India.

The historic city of Benares (Varanasi) will be the capital of Purvanchal (UP's Eastern part), that will share its borders with Nepal and Indian states of Bihar and MP. Bundelkhand will be carved out of both UP and MP with Jhansi as capital.

But the most contentious is the issue of Harit Pradesh. There are 'strategic concerns' that this region of Western Uttar Pradesh (UP) that will have nearly 35% Muslim population, become a 'unique case' in the heart of India.

The fact that the urban Muslim populace in this region is even higher, makes it unpalatable for not just BJP but many other parties also. Ajit Singh has however made it an issue, for quite sometime. UP has already lost Uttarakhand (formerly Uttaranchal) but still Southern states complain about its sheer size that gives a party winning in UP, a larger clout at the Centre.

The Second State Reorganisation Commission is about to be instituted. And the long-standing demands of Telangana & Vidarbha can't be ignored either. Future will tell whether the backward regions and people of these areas will get benefited from the formation of new states or it will worsen things.

[Photo: Map showing different regions viz. Awadh, Poorvanchal, Bundelkhand and Harit Pradesh ]
[*The status of Allahabad that falls in this region also remains questionable]

40 comments:

Azizur Rahman said...

As purwanchal has added few more distric so I thing Allahabad would be the appropriate place for the capital of purwanchal.

SUNIL said...

the making of new states should be decided simultaneously with telangana .the issue of making new states should not be left burning after making telangana .

Mohsin said...

ALLAHABAD Citizen never identify themselves with Poorvanchal nor interested in making ALLAHABAD its capital. We Allahbadi people are very strongly connected with DOAB and Lucknow ,kanpur region and are content with having Allahbad as one of the mejor cities of Central UP.

-MOHSIN

Nadeem said...

Merger should be based on as per the "Will of Local Peoples" not as per others. If Purvanchal State is better to create but not by sacrificing Allahabad (Doaba region). We dont want to lose our unique identity.

Nadeem said...

First of all Allahabad should be taken out from Purvanchal Economic Zone otherwise very soon most of the innocent Allahabadis will start thinking themselves as part of Purvancahl. Merger should be based on as per the "Will of Local Peoples" not as per others. If Purvanchal State is created it is better but not by sacrifying Allahabad (Doaba region).
Nadeem

Mohsin said...

Well Said Nadeem. We need to make
aware our Allahabadi fellows about
this. One more thing wt I have noticed is a propaganda through TV serials (Mr. And Mrs Sharma Allahabd Wale for example) to present Allahabad as part of Bhojpuri Speaking Area of Purvanchal and also lot of settlement and investment in Real State in Allahabad from Purvanchal residents.

Nadeem said...

Dear Mohsin you are right. Pls contact me on this email address as you are among well wishers of Allahabad.
naddammam@gmail.com

noor nawaz khan said...

plz support Harit Pardesh,
It will be first state where we can play a major role

Anonymous said...

@noor nawaz khan

I can understand the economic/administrative rationale for the division of UP, but not the religious one. It is unfortunate that even after so many years and blunders some of my Muslim brothers ( and sisters) do not understand that solution to their problems do not lie in further ghettoisation of the community but in playing a constructive role with the political mainstream.

Mohsin said...

I fully Agree with Anonymous.

Abhi said...

Nice to see that guys of allahabad is sincere enough to retain our identity, i am in strong favour in Allahabad not to be the part of Purvanchal, tough times ahead due to these idiots politicians

Anonymous said...

Even we don't understand the propoganada of thoes people who object to include Allahabad in Purvanchal. Allahabad is an integral part of Purvanchal. Only on the basis of Doab you can't separate Allahabad from Purvanchal. and for your kind information Allahabad is not a completly Doab Area. A place between two rivers called Doab and only 40% of Allahabad area belong to Doab and rest 60% area is out of Doab.

Thats why Allahabad was an integral part of Purvanchal and always be.

Anonymous said...

Allahabad is not a part of purvanchal officially

Anonymous said...

Allahabad will become part of Purvanchal...accept it. Varanasi will be the capital.

Anonymous said...

whoever is saying that allahabad should not be the part of purvanchal are bull sheet in a big ash hole

ravi baaba said...

bhaiya capital to banarse hoga, baki allahabad chahe gorakhpur rahe bha nat rahe,, eeeeeeee baat dhang se samajh lijiye nahi toooooo

Sunil Bhartiya said...

Azamgarh would be the best place for capital of Purvanchal state for the development of district located near border of Bihar.It will easy access from Gorakhpur,Varanasi.

Dr Gautam said...

Azamgarh is a famous place in the world map and would be appropriate choice for capital of Purvanchal. There should not be any different view on it and every citizen of Purvanchal should accpet it.

Anonymous said...

AREEEYY BHAIYA....TUM SAB BAKLOL HO
CAPITEL AF PURBANCHAL SOULD BEE CHANDOLI....WARLD MAP ME CHANDOLI SABSE BADA HAI...KAL HI MAINE GALOBE PE DKHA HAI!!!

Mohsin said...

Hahaha !!
You both decide whether it be Benares or Azamgarh the Capital of Purvanchal we dont care ,we Allahabadies have no concern. Allahabad will remain with Lucknow and Kanpur.

uzair rasheed said...

varanasi is unfit to be capital of purvanchal; because it`s not clean innstead it`s very cunjested

deepak singh said...

varanasi is the oldest city of the world.it will be the capital of purvanchal as this city has a great tourism industry....

deepak singh said...

varanasi should be the capital of purvanchal as it is the oldest city of the world and this city is one of the major tourist spot in india and the only tourist spot in purvanchal..

Mohsin said...

All purvanchales please spare Allahabad ...demand for inclusion of Allahabad in purvanchal mean a TOTO for of aspirations Varansi or Gorakhpur or Azamgarh (the bihari Abu Azimi hails from here ) to become the capital City of proposed Purvanchal state. Ask any Real resident of Allahabd ,he will immediately dissocaite himself from the discussion of Purvanchal. Allahabad belowngs to the reguon comprising Kanpure ,Raibareli and so with Lucknow .

Anonymous said...

It is sad to see that people from allahabad are behaving as if their city is much better than varanasi or gorakhpur.geographically allahabad comes in east up.they should accept this fact.

Anonymous said...

Allahabad me itene Engineering Colleges hain ki jitne appke pure Purvanchal me Total mil ke nahi hoonge.......And you can`t just divide UP in East and West ....
Grow up...

Anonymous said...

allahabad was capital of u.p.(united provinces) till 1920 and it was in this year capital was shifted to lko. only b'cz of location of lko in the map of newly formed u.p(uttar pradesh). So we people of ald. have already enjoyed being the citizen of the capital.

Awadhi said...

This is in response to a foolish poster that claims that "Geographically Allahabad comes in East UP and Allahabadis should accept it."

First of all, he should know that there is no geographical area called "East UP." East UP is a rough 'regional description," and a misplaced concept that is not older than a few decades. You will not find any mention of Eastern or Western UP in the history of UP.

It started as a rough division of UP into East and West, and in that respect, Lucknow, Allahabad and Kanpur together with Gorakhpur, Varanasi and Ballia, all fell in Eastern UP. Slowly, as these vague divisions started taking the shape of 'sub-regions' "Central UP" also started becoming an entity. Allahabad definitely falls in this "Central UP zone." Even Bundelkhand will be a more appropriate placement of Allahabad than Purvanchal.

Directionwise, Allahabad falls in Southern UP. However, it's most obvious place in the way sub-regions are forming in UP is in Central UP, and hence, it should belong with Awadh, however, its true geographical (and political, historical, political, administrative and cultural) identity is with the Doab, esp. lower Doab.

Now that "East UP" is clearly defined as Purvanchal, any fool should know that Allahabad -- culurally and geographically, a part of the 'West' (Not west of UP, but, west of India) is not in "East UP."

To sum up, Allahabad should go wherever lower Doab -- from Etawah to Allahabad -- goes. That is the true identity of Allahabad. And this should not only be remembered for the formation of states, but equally for formation of administrative and other zones.

Awadhi said...

Allahabad was capital of the North West Province, that included apart from the entire Doab, also areas like Jaipur and Ajmer. It merged with UP as part of the Doab, it has nothing to do with East UP or with Purvanchal zone or with Bhojpuri language/culture/region.

Awadhi said...

Also, I have no interest in the point raised by Noor Nawaz Khan, but just for curiosity's sake, I want to know how can Harit Pradesh be India's first Muslim majority state -- have you forgotten J&K or you don't consider J&K to be part of India?

Anonymous said...

GORAKHPUR should be the capital of purvanchal as it is big and niiice place

Anonymous said...

Allahabad ka aastitv to kanpur aur lucknow se hi hai.... Apna koi aastitv hi nahi hai allahabad.... Varanasi is world famous as compared to allahabad or even compared to kanpur or lucknow... No doubt city of lord shiva will be the capital in addition to this it is also the cultural capital of whole india and oldest city of india....

Anonymous said...

Allahabad ke saare college akele BHU me ghus jayenge.... bhu is india's no.2 university..... U dont know allahabaisssss.....

Anonymous said...

The Oxford of the East (Allahabad University) is again ready to roar.Only this AU is enough to prove the superiority of Allahabad in education compared to Varanasi. We have not taken the name of IIIT,MNIT etc. God bless Allahabad.

Purvanchalist are sad as their ill designs have been exposed by Allahabadis.

Purvanchlist jis bhasha ka use kertehain ye comments me acchi tarah se dikhaye padta hai...lgta hai hame bhi inhe ki bhasha prayog kari padegi..lekin phir mouthwash use kerna padega bhopuri bolene ke baad..ehhhhh

Anonymous said...

The Oxford of the East (Allahabad University) is again ready to roar.Only this AU is enough to prove the superiority of Allahabad in education compared to Varanasi. We have not taken the name of IIIT,MNIT etc. God bless Allahabad.

Purvanchalist are sad as their ill designs have been exposed by Allahabadis.

Purvanchlist jis bhasha ka use kertehain ye comments me acchi tarah se dikhaye padta hai...lgta hai hame bhi inhe ki bhasha prayog kari padegi..lekin phir mouthwash use kerna padega bhojpuri bolene ke baad..ehhhhh

vijay dwivedi said...

allahabad was never being a part of purvanchal. it isa part of awadh. and language spoken here is awadhi and khariboli. so people from purvanchal stop merging urself into us..as we will never accept u all.i totally support mr raj thackery for hated biharis and purvanchalis...purvanchali to dhand se hindi bhi na bol pate...usme bhi bhojpuri lagate hai.allahabad me aakar isko bhi pollute karne ki koshish karte hai.khud to ghand me rehte h.aur hme sikhate h...hume bhi apne sath jodne ki koshish karte h..for u mr. anonymous.varanasi to ald ke samne stand bhi nahi kar sakta ..gao lagta ha..lolzz...kyn aate ho hamare yaha ..hum to nahi bulate tume..hum to tumse door rehna chahate h...ghin aate hai tum logo se...sab ek jaise lagte ho bihari aur purvanchali..yuk...yaha par aake bas gaye salo se aur apne aap ko allahabadi kehte ho....aur yaha chhat bhi manate ho...sale kapda pehne ka salikha nahi maalum...fashion disaator hio tum log...dehati, gawar kahi ke.. khud to sharm karte ho purvanchali hone me....tabi to yaha aake mar rahe ho...

mumbai said...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
very nice
keep it up..................
mai samajh nahi pa raha hu ki Allahabad purvanchal me rahe ya kisi dusre state me jaye, is se kya badal jayega.....
development important he bhale koi b district kahi b jaye,,,,,,,
uttar Pradesh me ek district se dusre district k bich hi thoda sa difference aa jata he bolne k dhang me , bhasa me, etc..............
aaj purvanchal and bundelkhand me development nahi hua he to is k piche up k politician he...only west up hi develop hua,,,, yehi reason he ki purvanchal and bundelkhand ko alag hona hi hoga agar growth karni he to.........

aur rahi bat raj thakrey ki to wo allahabadis k b against he even wo to south indian, gujarati n marwadi k b agaist tha..
and there are lots of allahabadies in Mumbai.....and koi kahi pe b ja sakta he coz ye hamare sanvidhan me he,,,,,
n agar kisi ko itni prob he kisi k kahi aane pe to wo india se alag ho jaye...lols..... coz india ka laws tum sab jante hi ho.......




mumbai said...

finalyy
basically sab up se hi he.....
koi b district kisi b state me jaye, mudda development and growth hona chahiye..............
agar nahi to le k betho apne allahabadis purvanchlist etc.....
fact to ye hi he ki lucknow se patna tak ka area backward(pichada) area he..........

Awadhi said...

Mumbai ji,

Aap ek typical Purvanchali politician ki tarah baat kar rahe ho jo kisi tarah se Allahabad ko hadapne ke liye logic jugadta hai.

Kya culture, language, region -- in sab ka kuch bhi matlab nahin hai? Sach to yeh hai ki UP sahi maino mein kai regions se mil kar bana ek pradesh hai aur iske agar tukade karne hain to ek region ko tod kar dusre mein arbitrarily nahin mila sakte.

Ham Hindustaniyon ki pehchhan hindustani ke baad apne region se bhi gahrayi se judi hui hai. Phir chahe wo Garwhali/ Kumaoni ho ya Bundelkhandi ho ya phir Telangana ya Punjabi ya Bengali. Ye saare identities yun hi bakwaas nahin hain, inka ek itihaas, ek cultural identity hai.

Ye jitne bhi alag state ke liye aandolan chal rahe hain, inka basic mudda yehi ethnic pride hai -- ye sirf upar se development aadi naamo ka sahara lete hain. Chahe wo Garhwali ho ya Purvanhali. Asli mudda apna regional pride aur identity hai.

Aur dusra sach yeh hai ki ye baat galat hai ki Lucknow se Patna tak ka ilaka ek saman pichhda hai.

Sach to ye hai ki jo ilaka sach much pichhda hai wo hai Bhojpuri ilaka jo ki eastern UP aur western Bihar ka ilaka hai. Iska ek bahut bada kaaran yahan ki bheeshan aabaadi hai. Baaki ka UP kaafi had tak developed hai aur yahan ki population bhi Bhojpuri region jitni nahin hai.

Ye jo UP aur Bihar ka naam kharaab hua hai wo in laakhon bhojpuri labourers ke desh ke kone kone me jaakar palayan karne se hua hai. Par, phir bhi chahe wo Mumbaikar hon ya dusre, wo is baat ko bhi samajh lete hain. Isiliye, Mumbai me 'bhaiyya' naam se jaane waale log Purvi UP se hote hain, Allahabad-Kanpur ya western UP se nahin.

Waise, ye 'western' aur 'eastern' UP artificial regions hain -- jinka actually koi auchitya nahin hai. UP ke asli regions hain -- Doab (upper/middle/lower), Rohilkhand (eastern/ Western), Bundelkhand (eastern/ western), Awadh aur Purvanchal.

sanket singh said...

allahabad should be in poorvanchal